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imslp wrote:We don't have as much knowledge of the copyright law of specific European countries as we do of Canada and even the US.

OK. However, I think this would be manageable.

Of course, there is also the simple fact that EU has at this point some of the most restrictive copyright laws in the world.

Yes. I consider this as something good. My opinion is that hosting any scores which still have a copyright somewhere in the world is dangerous. A `filtering' of IPs based on country domains (or whatever) is completely useless IMHO since it can be easily circumvented by the experienced user. You would be threatened again and again.

Yes. I consider this as something good. My opinion is that hosting any scores which still have a copyright somewhere in the world is dangerous.

In a court case, there would be no danger. The only danger is people like UE, but they wouldn't win in a court.

In a court case, there would be no danger. The only danger is people like UE, but they wouldn't win in a court.

Hmm. Copyright infringements by uploading non-free scores are not restricted to UE.

Well, I just offered an idea.

imslp wrote:

brthrjon wrote:So I don't understand this tack. I don't understand why the scores can't be at Gutenburg and every single other site that will have them... there is no reason to be exclusive.

I would like to know how you plan to mirror IMSLP, because IMSLP is not a static bunch of scores, and mirroring is hard unless someone is quite dedicated. If you want, you can mention this with Gutenberg once IMSLP comes back up.

Hmm.. we must have a different sense of the word "static"....
As far as I know everything I've downloaded has been a pdf of a scanned document.... i can't think of anything more static than a scanned doc....

Can you tell me what you mean by static?

Well, for a start the metadata probably changes over time as people update/correct information. And I'd say the metadata is a large part of IMSLP, if maybe not as much as the music itself.

Dear IMSLP!

I. Either it should be operated on the law
II. or it should be changed that law

Firstly (and only) about 'I', so 'II' is very difficult (although you are doing right, that thinking of it)


1. If you have time for full interpretation of low (for instance composer is Canadian, publisher is Canadian publisher and publication date is about 1900) then

1.1. Either score remain on site
1.2. or score don’t remain on site (until better times)

2. If you don’t have time for full interpretation of low (it is doesn’t matter law of country or internetional low) then

2.1. Temporary remove score.
2.2. To put on the queue for check up rights.

Other offers:

1. Each score should be accompaned with about right information at score database.
2. About right information should be separated by classes (clusters)
First cluster – domiciles of composer
Second – years of the composer life
Third – publisher
Fourth – place of publishing
....
3. Model (simple logical software (script)) of law are operating with those clusters.

I’am sorry for my English. It is my first or second letter in English.

Thank you for your work!

I. Either it should be operated on the law
II. or it should be changed that law

IMSLP is within the law, the only problem is some corporations would like IMSLP gone. UE can sue us regardless of whether they have any legal right. They were merely puting pressure on us to cave - thus getting IMSLP out of the picture.

kettest wrote:Dear IMSLP!

1. If you have time for full interpretation of low (for instance composer is Canadian, publisher is Canadian publisher and publication date is about 1900) then

1.1. Either score remain on site
1.2. or score don’t remain on site (until better times)

2. If you don’t have time for full interpretation of low (it is doesn’t matter law of country or internetional low) then

2.1. Temporary remove score.
2.2. To put on the queue for check up rights.

Other offers:

1. Each score should be accompaned with about right information at score database.
2. About right information should be separated by classes (clusters)
First cluster – domiciles of composer
Second – years of the composer life
Third – publisher
Fourth – place of publishing
....
3. Model (simple logical software (script)) of law are operating with those clusters.

I’am sorry for my English. It is my first or second letter in English.

Thank you for your work!

Hi, this is my first entry here but I have been reading for several months.
I agree completely with kettest.
I can not understand why Imspl it is still over,...i mean, the problems with copyright affects only few composer,...so which is the trouble? why do not
set Imslp data base only with the music with the rights over and at the same time fighting for the others?

Imslp is a fundamental piece for the development of culture over the world, so it is a very important web,...why do you manteint it still closed? Mostly with the amazing support you are having all over the world...

Cheers,
Davintxi

While you may have been reading, you must have skipped over the many times we have answered that question:

Start by reading Feldmahler's posts starting at page seven (7) of this thread.

ISMLP was one of the best sites ever put on the internet. The only thing I can think of is to create this site again in which law restriction per continent/country is being applied (unfortunately) to avoid these lawsuits. This means that certain music might indeed be forbidden to download according laws in certain parts of the world but, it still would provide a lot of legally dispersible musicscores for persons. If music is downloadable with a warning about country law, people will still download it and the siteowner is held responsible.

This needs a lot of construction work and I am not sure if it is possible at all. However, users of this site were globally situated, no doubt there can be made a list where laws are being gathered.

Stopping users from countries from downloading scores is impractical and too difficult, plus to anyway semi capable with a computer, IP blocking doesn't work. Fetish porn is illegal in Australia, but I'm sure I could find some one the net that I can download (don't want to try though). None of these have warnings.

The site owner will not be held responsible for people downloading it, IMSLP is within the law.

IMSLP, will be coming back exactly as it was before (pretty much).

It is futile anyways with the simple use of a proxy. So I hope it is never done though so that I can get all scores without having to use slow stinky proxies.

I can't wait for this site to return because it was so great a resource that it is now so hard to get music. The only other I knew is messed up. I download two scores per day on one day and now it is not resetting each day so I can download no more

Well, here is the thing:

1) The site will return.
2) No, there will be no filtering.

See you back on the wiki soon

Ok, off course that is the greatest option, IMSLP coming back fully. It's just that I do not want that this great initiative becomes attacked again by those who have their business in selling musicscores.

I am unsure of specifics, but that will be handled.