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Music for a short film?

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:31 pm
by AverageRo
Hey guys.

I was hoping someone would be able to clear this up. I'm editing a short film and my director asked me to check out this website for music. Is all the music on this site in the public domain? As in, could I use this music without needing permission from someone or paying for it?

The piece of music he wants to use is Beethoven's "Moonlight Sonata". Can anyone see any legal problems with using this piece of music?

Thanks in advance!

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:27 am
by Yagan Kiely
All stuff available on IMSLP is PD in Canada an the US with the exception of the Creative Commons works. Of course, the Beethoven shouldn't be a Creative Commons work.

That said, how will a score be used in a short film? Are you going to hire a pianist to play it (contracts will need to be signed)? Because the copyright of a score is different from the copyright of a Recording.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:43 pm
by ras1
Furthermore, it would not be okay to use somebody else's recording of a PD piece, since (almost certainly) the recording would be copyrighted.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:03 am
by Lyle Neff
If you don't have a performer, it would be possible to use MIDI output.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:46 pm
by Yagan Kiely
Furthermore, it would not be okay to use somebody else's recording of a PD piece, since (almost certainly) the recording would be copyrighted.
Unless the recording has been released into the PD, or is a NC CC license.

You can also try http://pianosociety.com/cms/index.php?section=105, but I strongly suggest asking the performer if you can use it.

Also, if your film has a budget, I strongly suggest you actually pay the musician. One of the main problems with indi films is that they ignore the musicians and composers (or in my experience treat the composer as a foley artist almost).

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 3:12 pm
by Lyle Neff
Yagan Kiely wrote:[...] One of the main problems with indi films is that they ignore the magicians and composers [...]
A little slip of the fingers? :wink:

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:49 pm
by Yagan Kiely
Freudian slip even? :P

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 2:01 pm
by AverageRo
Thanks for all your help guys. We have a very miniscule budget; I haven't talked to the producer about it yet so I'm not sure how much, if any, is put aside for music.

Just to recap, it's okay to use Moonlight Sonata as long as we get the musician's permission?

Thanks again for all your help.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 6:08 pm
by Yagan Kiely
Yes, but remember, spoken word isn't an easy contract to uphold.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:35 pm
by AverageRo
Ah, but of course. Everything we do is above board anyway. We have release forms for everything we use; locations, actors, music etc. We always keep ourselves covered.

Thanks a million for your help guys, I REALLY appreciate it.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:32 am
by bradcapo1
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Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:19 pm
by allegroamabile
Yagan Kiely wrote:All stuff available on IMSLP is PD in Canada an the US

There are some exceptions to that, for instance Glazunov's Saxophone Concerto. That is available and is not PD in the US but PD in Canada (great copyright laws!) and the EU.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:09 pm
by Yagan Kiely
It shouldn't be downloadable though, unless there is more information. We are following US laws.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:54 pm
by allegroamabile
I think if the score is PD in Canada and Europe but not in the U.S., IMSLP doesn't block it. It takes two to not block it.

Re: Music for a short film?

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:17 pm
by KGill