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Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:28 am
by syates
Ouverture TWV 55:F3 18th Century M.s.score and parts does not match the 1950 Eulenburg 1set of parts .To my surprise I found he modern set of parts refer to the Ouverture TWV 55:F4, also known as a Quintet TWV 44:7
The Ouverture F4 should be detached from the Ouverture F3 entry and have its own together with a mention of the Quintet version. TWV 44:7

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:05 pm
by Eric
or be removed altogether for the time being if we can't find an older source for 55:F4, I think. Hrm. (I know we often try to use the Urtext exception but that's not a universal solvent...)

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:43 pm
by steltz
Eric wrote:or be removed altogether for the time being if we can't find an older source for 55:F4, I think. Hrm. (I know we often try to use the Urtext exception but that's not a universal solvent...)
Don't you mean "solution"? :lol: (Imagines urtext editions dissolving and flowing down the drain . . . .)

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:13 pm
by Eric
I was making indeed a weak attempt at humor, apologies. ;^)

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 12:32 am
by DDHautbois
So is anything going to be done about this mismatch?? The original from Darmstadt F3 is correct - the modern "transcribed" parts are from F4, which is also published by Eulenberg.My undated minature score says it is in Darmstadt as "Mus. 3360/27" as Ouverture a 5 . . . del Sigr. Melante (Telemann's pseudonym). This really should be corrected.

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:10 pm
by Fynnjamin
I have moved the modern files over to the 44:7 page for the time being, while we still don't have an earlier scan of F4 available. Seems strange that this piece should have two different catalogue numbers attached to it - but who started the mistake?

Re: Telemann overture TWV55:F3

Posted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:55 pm
by syates
Little wonder considering Telemann enormous ouput that works can be confused. In this case the overtures double identity as a quintet probably made matters worse. Anyway. I had the work performed here with a viola part I devised and it proved to be a great success with the musicians and t audience alike. Should be better known like so much of Telemann's work. If anyone wishes to perform the work with violas I would only to happy to forward you a copy. Stephen